Reminder: Auto Enthusiasts Are The Exception...

"Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)" (bman76-4) 04/12/2017 at 13:40 • Filed to: None

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...not the rule. 90% of people don’t care about 10/10ths driving or how many cylinders or gears their car has. If anything they buy based on branding, looks, comfort, and economy.

The 4-banger F-type has all of those things, as does the base Boxster/Cayman/718 and the ecoboost Mustang.

...and that’s perfectly fine. Remember, somebody has to buy all these cars (and their V8/performance counterparts) new in order for us to buy them used for cheap in 5-10 years.

(Also, Oppo Facebook is just cancer)

TheHondaBro > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 04/12/2017 at 13:44

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There’s a huge entitlement problem in the enthusiast circle.

“X can’t go around a track? Worthless”

“Y is FWD? Sad.”

“Z is too expensive. I’ll buy it used.”

“Why won’t XYZ give us a cool car?”

You fuckers are the reason for all your problems.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 04/12/2017 at 13:45

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How can people complain about a 300hp rwd jaguar coupe that’s good to drive. That’s freaking awesome.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > TheHondaBro 04/12/2017 at 13:48

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Yep, I completely agree. Don’t blame the industry for our own shortcoming, nor should the industry indulge all of our dumb fantasies (I’m looking at you Demon).

S65 > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 04/12/2017 at 13:49

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Wait there’s a 4 cylinder F-Type now?

djmt1 > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 04/12/2017 at 13:49

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Bah I say, Bah. The UK is Jag’s biggest market where 80% of the cars are manual and 98% of drivers can drive manuals. The annoying thing is that the diesel 4 banger is available with a manual and it’s the same damn block. Just give us the damn petrol manual combo already.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 04/12/2017 at 13:50

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I can agree that at the price point, I would pay the extra $1500 and get the 6 cylinder. But I’m not the majority of people either.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 04/12/2017 at 13:53

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I still want it. Well depending on how the price compares to the V6

Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 04/12/2017 at 13:54

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I think it’s easy to remember that most people don’t care about what we care about when it comes to Subaru cross treks or Nissan Altimas. It’s harder to remember that someone who really doesn’t care about enthusiast things, when we are talking about a cayman or an F-Type. But you’re right.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 04/12/2017 at 13:55

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I didnt actually realised they were priced so close. Seems an odd decision.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > djmt1 04/12/2017 at 13:55

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I mean, this is kind of the perfect “America special” to be honest.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > S65 04/12/2017 at 13:56

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Yes, and it sounds like it’ll be neat.

Nibbles > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 04/12/2017 at 13:56

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Enthusiasts: “Slow car fast!”

Jaguar: “Here then have a coupé with juust enough power to enjoy”

Enthusiasts: “...
FAST CAR FAST NOW FUCK SLOW CAR”

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle 04/12/2017 at 13:59

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They want a Jag or a Porsche, and for them 300hp in a 3300 lb car will be “so fast” and for street use they’re right.

Chinny Raccoon > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 04/12/2017 at 14:01

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Presumably people where fuel isn’t £1.20+ a litre, and the roads are mostly straight lines...

If it sounds good enough I don’t really have any issue with it, it’s enough power to get into trouble. Less weight always helps.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 04/12/2017 at 14:02

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Yep $59,900 and $61,400 respectively.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 04/12/2017 at 14:03

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It’s “only” $1500 less than a manual V6.

jimz > djmt1 04/12/2017 at 14:04

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Bah I say, Bah. The UK is Jag’s biggest market where 80% of the cars are manual and 98% of drivers can drive manuals.

I think you’ll find that the bulk of those manual transmission cars are small econoboxes with tiny engines; the bigger cars with more powerful engines are more likely to be automatic. To wit, BMW actually killed the manual in the M5 for Europe long before finally dropping it in the US.

S65 > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 04/12/2017 at 14:04

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It does seem neat but a V6 is only a couple grand more..

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Nibbles 04/12/2017 at 14:05

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Enthusiasts: 110hp is perfect in the Miata! Fun car! Revs! 10/10ths all the time!

Also Enthusiasts: SDJHGLSKEUF 200HP IN THE Toyota 86 IS A TRAVEST GIVE US AN STi MORE POWER ALL OF THE BOOSTS FUCKING SLOW PIECE OF SHIT

TheHondaBro > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 04/12/2017 at 14:06

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At least Dodge has the sense to build only ~3,000 Demons. Highly specialized cars really can’t sell in volumes like other cars.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > S65 04/12/2017 at 14:06

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Yep, but its real competition is the V6 auto, which is ~$3k more. Not an insignificant amount, but that depends on who you are.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > TheHondaBro 04/12/2017 at 14:07

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I’m surprised they’re building that many. I’d build 500 and let it be a mythical unicorn of a beast.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 04/12/2017 at 14:22

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However, the V6/auto combo is ~$3k more, which is a better comparison.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 04/12/2017 at 14:23

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Yeah I think I’d save a little longer but I’m not most people so.....

DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 04/12/2017 at 14:25

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Isn’t there also a tax on displacement in a lot of places in Europe? And I believe the displacement also affects insurance.

So you save $1,500 up front, and a lot more down the road it seems.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 04/12/2017 at 14:26

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A better comparison is the V6/auto which is ~$3k more. I’d save my pennies too, but I can’t condemn a 300hp 4 banger either.

Saracen > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 04/12/2017 at 14:27

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Heck, I think a base 718 Cayman would be awesome for the street. I just can’t fit comfortably in it and I think they sound like ass.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back 04/12/2017 at 14:27

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I’m not actually sure. The UK used to be based on displacement a long time ago, then CO2 emissions. Now I think of it though, they introduce a new tax for cars over £40k and I think this new Jag squeaks in under that. That’s probably why!

Edit im wrong, its nearly £50k so only a minimal tax saving at first registration.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 04/12/2017 at 14:29

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yeah im getting really tired of oppo facebook.

DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 04/12/2017 at 14:33

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Yeah, it appears you get 8/10ths of the V6 at a much more reasonable cost.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 04/12/2017 at 14:36

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It’s completely respectable numbers for a 4 cylinder but I like the noise of the 6 better.

djmt1 > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 04/12/2017 at 14:38

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Yeah but we export 80% of our cars built so it would of ended up on your shores eventually. I mean Jag are giving you guys the diesel manual Wagon the FP desires so much.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > djmt1 04/12/2017 at 14:40

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“Diesel manual F-type or GTFO”

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 04/12/2017 at 14:45

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Don’t forget that the majority of enthusiasts also buy used. Sure some still buy new thankfully, but brands definitely cannot plan for the used market, since that is completely irrelevant to them. I for one never plan to buy new. Some day I shall maybe buy 2-3 years old but I find it asinine to eat the depreciation curve in any vehicle for absolutely no reason.

djmt1 > jimz 04/12/2017 at 14:46

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Well in our case, RHD is a bigger problem as seen with recent examples most notably the Alfa Gulia. However as I said Jag have all the bits and the market to do it they just aren’t because they seem to be doing everything these day at a glacier pace.

jimz > djmt1 04/12/2017 at 14:53

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They still have to spend the money on calibration and certification testing. Could easily be a few million bucks to do that.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) 04/12/2017 at 15:17

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Yep, I addressed that a bit. We rely on others to buy what we want first, so all this conjecture about “I’d buy a used X instead” is silly. 5 years from now these may be $25k, and it’ll be a lux/performance bargain.

TheHondaBro > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 04/12/2017 at 16:27

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Nissan: We have a more powerful BRZ right here. It’s called the 370Z. It has a big V6 engine that makes plenty more power. As such we’ve had to stiffen the chassis to be able to handle all that power, so it’s just a little bigger and heavier than the BRZ. Thoughts?

FP: *raptor screech*

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > TheHondaBro 04/12/2017 at 16:40

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Except it isn’t. It’s an ancient platform with a mediocre engine that doesn’t lead its class in ANYTHING. Value, handling, performance, comfort, etc. nothing.

shop-teacher > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 04/12/2017 at 16:40

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I think your numbers are a bit low. It’s more like 98%. That’s why crossovers are so popular, they drive just fine, are easier to get in and out of, and get decent fuel economy.

StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 04/13/2017 at 12:11

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Wait, when did I miss the 4cyl F-Type?